German Cars Ranked by Power/Weight

"472CID" (472CID)
12/18/2014 at 12:56 • Filed to: None

At first didn't really want to make this list due to the daunting number of cars. The Porsche 911 alone has an average of 5 performance variants over it's six or so generations, that's roughly 30 911s alone. Likewise AMG has made a performance version of just about every Mercedes for the last couple decades, BMW's M and Audi's RS lines are relatively simple. For the sake of rounding out the countries lets look at how all these Teutonic cars compare to one another.

Some fun things to point out:

-A lot of high performance SUV have a similar number to older sports cars ex. Mercedes G65AMG vs BMW Z8

-The highest performance BMW (based on power/weight) is the V10 M6

-The old 993 GT2 is still one of the highest performing 911s.

As always this is NOT a complete list, lot of cool cars are missing, feel free to mention them. There's probably numerous errors, unlike the Italians the weight values should be pretty consistent. I'm not sure how, when, or if Germany changed their methods of rating peak output.

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Here's some more nifty graphs. The first is the power/weight of the base and turbo 911 over time. The second features BMW's M models progress over time.

DISCUSSION (64)

ly2v8-Brian > 472CID
12/18/2014 at 13:03

Kinja'd!!!

472CID > ly2v8-Brian
12/18/2014 at 13:06

That's pretty neat I should use it

macanamera > 472CID
12/18/2014 at 13:16

Wow there are just too many variants...

FromCanadaWithLove > 472CID
12/18/2014 at 13:22

Any love for the M235i? :)

472CID > FromCanadaWithLove
12/18/2014 at 13:38

Added, along with the M135i, both are behind the 1M which I think is why I didn't initially include them.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > 472CID
12/18/2014 at 14:52

Where did you get your weight figure for the E90 M3?

As sad as I am to admit it, I think it's heavier than you've got it pegged...

472CID > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
12/18/2014 at 15:16

That's from Wikipedia. Edmunds and AOL have it at 3700 (4100 for the convert!) I had no idea M3 could weigh 2 tons.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > 472CID
12/18/2014 at 15:20

~3700 is accurate. The E93 is a fat pig (as is the F83, which is even more of a shame considering all the lightweight tech that's gone into the new M3/4).

comeandgo > ly2v8-Brian
12/19/2014 at 11:26

I love this!!!

El-Verde > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 11:26

I know there are a ton of variants...but sad to not see my 997 Carrera S on here.

JayHova > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 11:29

I'm missing the Trabant 601.

26hp vs 1355lbs and 2.821.381 cars built.

MatthewHokie03 > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 11:31

Missed one. Slotted between the Audi TT-RS and the RS5 should be the Audi RS6 (C5). Comes in at 8.94 lb/hp.

dennisfitz > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 11:36

no listing for Alpina B7? I think it's in the 9+ to 1 range.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 11:59

Kinja'd!!!

OppoBlog effect. =) Congrats on the front page!

http://oppositeblog.kinja.com/

Ente Süßsauer > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 12:01

Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles

jpunk > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 12:25

Infinite laughs to see the two Smarts right beside a pair of Porsches.

All rear-engine, rear-drive as well.

472CID > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
12/19/2014 at 12:43

472CID > JayHova
12/19/2014 at 12:47

I meant to add a Trabant too, but never got around to it.

472CID > El-Verde
12/19/2014 at 12:51

In a world full of turbos and GT2 aint nobody got time for Carrera Ss. (8.13/.123 right between the 996 turbo and 996 GT3)

Manuél Ferrari > macanamera
12/19/2014 at 12:56

buy one NOW

mrburnsy > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
12/19/2014 at 13:26

Yeah, it needs to north of 3600 (Curb weight for an e90 335i with two less cylinders).

acbimmer > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 13:48

Corrections: VW Pheaton (should be Phaeton) & BMW M325i (should be M235i)

The Dief > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 13:55

How about adding the BMW 2002 Tii and Turbo?

Tii 1972 - 1974, 130 hp and 2225 lbs

Turbo 1973 only, 170 hp and 2337 lbs

472CID > The Dief
12/19/2014 at 14:19

Good call I totally spaced on that and the 3.0CSL

guppysb > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 14:31

Weismann is misspelled.

El-Verde > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 14:44

Better than a 996 turbo?? Wow that's a lot better than I expected.

rennsportv12 > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 15:14

The F13 should be the M6 on this list. It is the coupe. The F06 is the sedan.

Also the V8 Competition has a higher power to weight ratio than the V10 M6. It has a power to weight ratio of .13529 hp/lb.

Vee Are Six > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 15:18

I'm assuming you have this in a spreadsheet. Any chance you would be willing to share it? I would like to move around how its sorted a little bit just for a different perspective. Also B6 Passat VR6 280 hp 3,592 lb 12.82 lb/hp , right between E30 M3 and Mercedes 190 Evo.....for what its worth

472CID > Vee Are Six
12/19/2014 at 16:02

You could just copy and paste it into Excel or Google docs

Anthony McClinton > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 16:06

The E37 M roadster with the S54 it had 320hp and was less that 3000lbs.

macanamera > Manuél Ferrari
12/19/2014 at 16:49

I'm broke!

Manuél Ferrari > macanamera
12/19/2014 at 16:59

Why? :O

Do you have too many baby mommas?

macanamera > Manuél Ferrari
12/19/2014 at 16:59

lol yeah and I'm 24 and fiscally irresponsible

Manuél Ferrari > macanamera
12/19/2014 at 17:04

You need to be MOAR irresponsible and use debt to buy moar cars.

Every time I have enough money to pay off a car loan I instead use it as a down payment on another car loan. Fiscally irresponsible as fuck!

macanamera > Manuél Ferrari
12/19/2014 at 17:06

lol I hate being in debt. I hate it. Part of me wants to know that I could just pack my bags and go to Antarctica for the rest of my life if I wanted. Don't want any strings tying me down. When I buy a house it'll be straight cash, yo.

Manuél Ferrari > macanamera
12/19/2014 at 17:13

Bruh

Macanamera can't into Murica

Doing things straight cash is not how things work in our great country!

If you're not taking advantage of crazy cheap interest rates you're doing life wrong

I obviously over do it. But you're too conservative. You should never wait until you have enough cash to buy a house. That is fiscally irresponsible for these reasons:

1. You'll have to wait too long. So you end up missing out on all the appreciation you could have gained had you got a loan and bought the house sooner

2. You're missing out on federal income tax write offs. You can write off a SHIT TON of mortgage interest. So you're just paying the gov extra taxes if you buy a house cash.

Even if I had the money to buy a house cash I would never do it. I would invest the money into an interest bearing account and write off the mortgage interest.

macanamera > Manuél Ferrari
12/19/2014 at 17:17

Ya I know, buying a house cash was an exaggeration. I'm just debt-averse.

Clearly if I had the cash to buy a house, I would just buy a 918 Spyder and live in it.

Manuél Ferrari > macanamera
12/19/2014 at 17:23

LOL. That would be a great plan.

Embrace debt. It is your friend. It gets you to higher places in life sooner. I use debt in business and in my personal life. It makes things happen faster and makes me work harder. Cause mad loans to pay off, haha

macanamera > Manuél Ferrari
12/19/2014 at 17:26

Hey, the 918 would probably appreciate too...

I mean, a La Ferrari definitely would. P1 probably too, I don't know how limited the run is.

Manuél Ferrari > macanamera
12/19/2014 at 17:35

Oh for sure

I would guess that the Ferrari crammed inside of a Ferrari will appreciate the most.

The 918 and P1 will probably be tied for 2nd

ColoradoTaco > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 17:41

C4 S4 (later became S6): 3814lbs in sedan, 3924 in avant trim, 227bhp inline 5cyl turbo

B5 S4: 3384 lbs sedan, 3704 avant, 261 bhp twin turbo V6

B5 RS4: avant only 3571 lbs, 375 bhp. The RS4 would slot just under the E39 M5 at 9.53 lbs/hp

macanamera > Manuél Ferrari
12/19/2014 at 18:26

Hey I'm going to Atlantic City to gamble all my money away this weekend, so I might not be on Oppo too much...comment me a link to your 430 thing if you post it, I don't want to miss it.

Manuél Ferrari > macanamera
12/19/2014 at 18:30

Really? That's hilarious. Don't gamble too much! I don't do gambling. I waste enough money on interest and good booze. No money left for gambling..

I'll comment you a link about the Mondial if I post it (not sure where you got the 430 idea)

macanamera > Manuél Ferrari
12/19/2014 at 19:14

430 is code for Mondial, bruh.

and I never gamble. This will be my second time in a legit casino!

Manuél Ferrari > macanamera
12/19/2014 at 19:23

this is true!

Oh good work. Don't give the casino free money. Spend it on drinks and clubs and shows

macanamera > Manuél Ferrari
12/19/2014 at 19:58

drinks are free!

iggysaab9 > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 20:24

Kinja'd!!!

What happened here?

Manuél Ferrari > macanamera
12/19/2014 at 20:56

but only if you gamble!

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
12/19/2014 at 22:16

Has anyone ever told you that you should write a book.

"How to own as many cars as possible for as little cash as possible"

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 22:18

Although if you used *actual* power outputs for these cars this would be a very interesting list haha. This is awesome.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 22:19

Also...this list makes me proud to have German heritage.

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
12/19/2014 at 22:46

haha no

Now I need to do that

Reborn Pyrrhic > 472CID
12/19/2014 at 23:26

Don't forget the Wartburg and Melkus if you add Trabants too.

RedPir8Roberts > 472CID
12/20/2014 at 17:18

1939 Mercedes Benz T80 Rekordwagern: 3,000 horsepower, 6, 385 pounds, 2.12 lb/hp. (Projected top speed, 340-465 mph).

Kinja'd!!!

AMGisThorsHammer > ly2v8-Brian
12/21/2014 at 13:04

Thank you!

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
12/21/2014 at 22:27

You could even have a reality TV show....which would then enable you to buy more cars!

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
12/21/2014 at 22:32

Mmm. This is a good plan

You should be on the show too

We both have a BMW habit and want Italian cars that are bad for our health

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
12/22/2014 at 15:31

I see no reason why this wouldn't be a smash hit. We'd be more famous than the Kardashians...and for much better reasons. We could get a book deal, a movie...we'd be living the life while getting paid to spend obscene amounts of money on impractical cars.

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
12/22/2014 at 15:40

We would only be moar famous than them if we were hot girls.

Idea: we should produce the show instead. We should find a couple hot girls to be the stars.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
12/22/2014 at 16:13

We have to make sure they can handle fast, powerful cars though. And also can drive manuél

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
12/22/2014 at 17:02

But of course. Those are all prereqs

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
12/22/2014 at 17:21

Finding these women might be a reality show in and of itself.

Manuél Ferrari > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
12/22/2014 at 17:22

LOL. We can film it and release it later as a behind the scenes look at the creation of the show

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Manuél Ferrari
12/22/2014 at 18:03

Yes the blu-ray special features. Which will only be released years later to drum up sales again and make more money.